If you think that demonstrations is going to bring in more fathers onto this site, you’re kidding yourself. For almost 11 years, I’ve worked with divorced and single fathers. In the beginning, we did all the picking and making noise, here in Kansas City. It didn’t bring in the fathers. Why? If you can answer that, you can perhaps answer the reason why the majority of the calls in is not from men, but from women calling for a man.

Men, as a species, simply do not step up and ask for help. Yes, there are men here that have, but I will wager that there is something else they have not done, like the last time they went in for a physical, or talked to the doctor about that reoccurring pain?

In my experience, I have found that word of mouth recommendations works the best for bringing in new members. That is how we have gotten the majority of our members at Blair College. A member is using our materials, who tells another father about us, who tells his wife, girlfriend, mother, or other lady, who calls us.

More has gotten done by having favorable court ruling, than by all the picking. I have found that the view of the public of fathers picketing is that we are just a bunch of whining dads who are mad because we have to pay child support. What it takes to bring in fathers is to talk to fathers. No matter where I go, or who I see, I talk about the fathers’ rights movement. Drove my wife crazy doing that. If I go to a grocery store on a weekend, I can spot a father who has his children for the weekend from two isles away. He’s the one with a couple of children and buying food that can be fixed quickly.

As for the day care, have you thought about suing her for the money?

The gross injustice caused by our own government is far worse than going to a foriegn land to die for a cause.

The solution has been staring us in the wallet for quite some time, are we just too tired to see it? During the last stages of WWII in Europe, the Germans were running out of gas. The U.S. found out, and made damn sure they didn’t get it. Gulf War, the U.S. took away their will to fight by superior numbers and their thirst for oil.

Moral of the story, take away the gas and oil, mix in 20 million fathers and the machine stops. We gentlemen, are the ones supplying the fuel by feeding the machine MONEY!! Without the money, who will work for nothing?

20 million of us? I would think, if the money stopped coming in, the machine would come to a most glorious stop. What can they do? They sure as hell can’t lock up 20 million tax payers who help run those state run institutions.

Our children have waited long enough for us fathers to do something. What do you think? So, go ahead and rant on Charlie, at least one of us has a pair!

Once again I have to be rude and say that looking at the posted messages, we are blowing lots of hot air with no results.

It is great that we can vent on this web site club but that’s all we always do. If we could only get organized and start PEACEFUL demonstrations (March) in big cities like Atlanta, Houston, Washington DC, etc., then more and more fathers hwo would not even know how to join a group like this would want to join and be part of it. If we could just do this in a few big cities and begin receiving publicity it would even grow more.

Since we can’t be everywhere, we have to do them in nearby cities. In my case, if we could gather a few thousands to do a peaceful protest march in Atlanta, we could even march in front of the CNN building and get all the publicity we want. The same could apply to other cities where media would jump to it. Also, when it happens in different cities at the same time, the media covers it even more thoroughly.

I know it is easier said than done, but women do it, ethnic groups do it, even the KKK does it. Are we (Fathers) so WEAK that we can’t get organized? It is a true shame. As for me – even though I have bad credit score I still could be approved for one of so-called ‘online loans with no credit’ from ElcLoans or similar website and continue fight for my rights!

I already finished my case and was awarded custody of my children. Therefore, I should probably think, “screw it, I finished my battle”. However, I am willing to go out and speak and scream for other fathers out there.

Even though my case is over I will be heading to court again this month. I’ve had my children for 2.5 months now and would you believe she has not paid child support so far. There is also another issue of monies that I paid for child care ($21,000) through years that the law in Georgia has considered a gift and cannot be counted as child support. Therefore, even though I paid this money because of her irresponsibility to the day care and ASSUMED that I would take out of the child support I gave her, now I owe her the money. My lawyer and I are considering taking this to the supreme court to ask for this law to be changed and for them to allow this child care payments to be counted.

We should help finance cases like this where LAWS can be changed to benefit us.

We’ll see what happens!

The last statement in my original post was that of deep sarcasm. It reflects how society sees the worth of children and fathers though. A point about voices being heard by their votes, you must realize the position that most men hold in voting rights, once they are considered felonious for not paying their illegal back door alimony, they lose their right to vote. This has been happening for the past decade.

In addition, 20 million (plus) Disenfranchised Fathers would have quite a bit of voice in a government if that government allowed to hear their voice.

A point about D-DAY, if each one of those men had their children held before them as the tool to keep them from fighting, then there would have been no battle. A man is willing to die for his country but a man who’s child is held hostage will will die before he will fight.

With this fatalistic attitude you are going to fulfill your own prophecy.

If the men who landed on the beach on D-DAY had a similar attitude the war would have turned out differently.

Fathers do matter, and fathers make up a hell of a lot of the voters in both Canada and the USA. Speak up and be heard.

There are more than 20 million Disenfranchised Fathers who try to sort things out about how they have been ripped out of their childrens’ lives. I believe each and every one has, at one time or another, had the same thoughts about violent revolution. When these men try to stand up against the cancerous divorce industry monster, they are beaten down dramatically as individuals to be left impotent against the tyranny.

As a class of citizens, the Disenfranchised Fathers are never going to be in a position to be heard and that is exactly how our society wants it. To allow men to be true Fathers would mean that the legislative, judicial, and social engineering magnates would have to admit to the abuse they cause to millions of children throughout this land.

Their gold lined pockets would be diminished of the profits they hold so dear. These pigs do worse than what the King of England ever did that pissed our Fore Fathers off. The difference today is nobody is hurt but Fathers and Children, and as we all are beginning to see, Fathers and Children don’t matter.

The only way I think that we (men) are going to be given any chance of being father’s to our children is to have an extremely VIOLENT revolt against ALL FAMILY COURT judges. I wish I did not believe this, and I wish things were better but I know that until this happens we men will be denied our children.

Now when I speak with my male friends, I tell them if their spouse or girlfriend starts even hinting at divorce is to hide everything they can and prepare to literal steal away their children. One friend had his wife kidding about getting divorced.

I told him that he had better start preparing now for if he wanted his kids. He did and I can say that now he has sole custody of his son and daughter but he does allow his ex to see them and spend time with them because he believes that children need both parents.

At least he has intelligence.

I had a very similar situation, my former was not flexible. Now she has sole-custody, I see my child in the summer for two weeks, 2 hours a day… though I call her, The courts, lawyers, and of course my former wife pushed and got anything they asked for.

I was set up by the court system to believe, in fairness, only to be shafted by broken agreements / all she has to do is get an order for protection and no matter what is agreed on there, that’s the first step a woman usually takes in abduction of the child.